| Although I do not share Ellen Taylor's anti-corporate Progressive ideology, I do share her concerns about Americans knowing the truth about 9-11. There has been another massive cover-up of the facts by our government that have left many of us wondering what the hell really happened on September 11, 2001. The government's report lacks credibility. No explanation is really given why Building 7 in the WTC complex came down virtually all by itself as it wasn't hit by any planes. So too, the government's explanation of the Pentagon being hit by a 757 leaves us with wonderment on how such a big plane left such a small hole in the side of the Pentagon building where it hit. And where is the great debris, the dead bodies and body parts and luggage, etc. that always accompanies major plane crashes? And then there's the beneficiaries of the attack, Silverstein, the WTC property owner who collected billions on the disaster and was quoted as saying he ordered Building 7 "pulled", the term for controlled demolitions. My brother says there's been thermite traces found on steel beams recovered from the WTC building debris. Has our government created a phony Pearl Harbor in order to get us involved in a new world war with all Islam? There are so many unanswered questions that need to be answered before we find ourselves in a country that has lost its democratic ideals and runs now on political policies formulated by a foreign government--Israel? |
Saturday, October 21, 2006
Reopen 9-11
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The problem with 9/11 conspiracy theories is that they assume a level of competence by the federal government of which we've never seen any evidence.
That's true. Most of us are overwhelmed with the whole idea such a conspiracy by the government could work. But then there's the evidence or lack there of for the government's explanations for what happened. Those buildings came down when struck by comparatively small mass objects when other no other such building in the world ever have.
What if you don't need to have any airtight conspiracy. Your the U.S. government elite core of neo-cons in league with Israel and you just do your thing as secretly as possible and then deny credibility to anyone that refutes what you say. Take away the evidence as quickly as possible and give some bogus "scientific" explanation and then ignore the outcry of protest knowing your experts have factored in what percentage it would take for conspiracy believers to have any real effect.
I believe I linked you to the Pop Mechanics article that said Building 7 collapsed due to damage from the debris of the two larger buildings.
That's a fairly ridiculous explanation, eric, that the general public is supposed to buy into. Large buildings just don't fall down when comparatively small objects hit them like planes and having a large building fall down by "debris" is absurd.
Until real, plausible explanations are forthcoming, every American should be highly concerned about 9-11.
It wasn't "small objects." A good portion of the facade facing the other two buildings was taken out. And again, there are questions about the whole model of construction that were raised decades ago and should have received renewed scrutiny after 911. Unfortunately, the whole discussion is dominated by the government, industry apologists, and the conspiracy theorists.
That's true and that's why we need to pressure the government to ReOpen 9-11. Too many questions haven't been answered, e.g., Building 7 falling down into its "footstep" like a controlled demolition when it was hit on one side by debris. It should have keeled over towards that side but didn't. Came down perfectly even like a controlled demolition. And Silverstein is on record as saying he ordered it "pulled", the controlled demolition term.
The pilot of the 757 is the same guy who a decade earlier gave the Joint Chiefs of Staff a report on what would happen if a 757 jet flew into the Pentagon. It's stuff like this that propels the conspiracy theorists..like it should everyone.
Keeling over on the side might happen with traditional construction, but not tube & truss.
Again:
WTC 7 Collapse
CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."
FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.
Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.
And probably even more significantly - taking into account the worst assumptions about the US government and their motives - why destroy Building 7? If the motive was to generate a climate of fear to enact the Patriot Act for instance, what does the destruction of Building 7 add to the equation?
You have to start with a motive Steve.
The gov't answer for Building 7's collapse is unproven theory. No such buildings have ever collapsed before with fires in them, and certainly no such buildings have ever before collapsed symetrically exactly like a controlled demolition--a "hole scooped out" transferred loads to other parts in perfect symetry, give us break, eric, that's so far-fetched that the gov't experts have to dream up something that's never been seen before in high rise building fires and high rise buildings struck by planes.
As for motive to "pull" Building 7? Wasn't that the very building which is thought to be where the whole works was planned? Wasn't there an unusual shut down of several floors of that building and other weirdness surrounding the last month before 9-11?
The public deserves better explanations than what's been given. Look how long it took Americans, or some Americans I should say, to find out a Pearl Harbor situation was hoped for by the Roosevelt Administration and they deliberately withdrew naval protection around Hawaii to tempt the Japanese into doing what they did?
And the Kennedy assassination? Has the government ever come clean on that one? CIA-Mafia-Mossad conspiracies still float around on that one because the government did something drastic in 1963 and we still don't know what happened with any degree of certainty.
Wouldn't it be nice to live in a country where you could trust your government not to lie to you?
There've been no fires on this scale before, but engineers have been warning about the dependence on angle clips to keep a whole building together for decades.
Look, if you don't read any other article on the topic, read this one.
I don't know mechanical engineering but if skyscraper design followed car designs, airplane design, container designs, etc, lot's of newer ways to put "boxes" together using lighter weight structuring like "tubes" vs. solid beams and walls, maybe the new highrises are just as safe as the old style.
The proof of poor quality of disaster resistant highrises is the actual news of them coming down when fires hit or bombs, coming down like controlled demolitions, a scenario that hasn't happened yet so the gov't theory is just that, only unproven theory that still leaves tremendous room for doubt and not from just government conspiracy p.o.v. but from a scientific one that theories always need proof.
And, eric, a lot of that article was emotional characterization of the WTC building architech which has nothing to do with explaining what happened to his buildings in 9-11.
A lot of the article was also dedicated to engineers who have criticized the modern construction, and one engineer who knew the buildings were coming down when he saw the flames on television.
eric, I know you are compelled to get the last word in but you're not saying anything new about the 9-11 evidence and your using emotional arguments like the pro-gov't report articles instead of sticking to science.
Again, the gov't's argument rests on totally unproven theory--no highrises have come down due to fires like the WTC buildings did. That's bottom line evidence against the theory.
The article, nor the rescue workers associations are "pro-government." They're calling for a moratorium on tube & truss construction, and threatening to refuse rescue operations. Apparently, the new WTC construction is going to be completely exempt from even the existing codes.
Like I said, the real controversy is lost in the tin foil hat tide.
Lost maybe for you because you've accepted the gov't 9-11 line but not for those of us without any real, scientific answers to our questions.
I mean seriously, eric, you really went for that tube-and-truss misdirection which is supposed to explain why 3, count them, three, highrise buildings come down exactly like controlled demolitions yet here they come down by "fires" in one day when not a single high rise has ever done so?
Not one but three buildings fall down within seven hours of each other in one day and it's never happened before or since with the same type of highrise construction?
What are the odds, eric?
This tube and truss failur explanation is bogus and that's why we don't go for the gov't line.
News today:
"The New York medical examiner's office said in a statement that it had identified remains of Karen Ann Martin, the 40-year-old head flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11, which slammed into the trade center's north tower...
...The newly identified remains of three people were not from any remains found in the latest search..."
Why are these important remains identified now after five years of silence just when there's news of recent dna tests for 9-11 victims?
Thermite residue reported on WTC steel beam pieces, cordite smelled at the scene of the crashes, and five years later dna from the crashed plane victims is presented. I want to know more details about the dna testing-who did it and how and who's verified it.
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